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[ScottMH]

Ok this has nothing to do to the bad jokes, personal conflicts or anything like that. Though I'm sure it'll cause an argument anyway.

I'd just like to post a few things that have bothered me when gigging with you lot.

a) how ungrateful the band have been in general considering the work that Alex and Jamie put into getting you these gigs. If it wasn't for Marly I'm sure it wouldn't have even happened.
Also borrowing of equipment, some people assuming the stuff there's to use without asking. and then changing settings and again not saying thank you. this is simple manners!

b) running onstage as soon as we've finished playing, happened twice and it just makes things difficult for bands to get off and you set up. This also runs along with the band taking ages to soundcheck for uknown reasons. Making us look unprofessional at Megabowl by jamming on stage wandering about playing loudly before the bands started.

c) I have heard of certain members badmouthing us and sullivan and well fair do's if you don't like the music or us as people. but saying you said it to us but haven't to our faces is a little petty. I mean yeah everyones been bitchy lately, me included but still unfair and again ungrateful.

d) insulting and swearing at the crowd....what the hell was that, and didn't you think that'd provoke a bad reaction. these are the fans you have, might be rock n roll but didn't make any sense.

e) I apologised for the graeme thing, it was a stupid joke. wasn't funny, this is unrelated apart from the rant at the end.

f) bands are generally easy to gig with, good laugh, down to earth. why should you be different.

So all in all, again this will go boom I imagine but I was really annoyed and wanted to post this. Comments and whatever go underneath, good luck in the future really i mean it. Just maybe climg down from your high horses and just look in the mirror for a sec. It'll no doubt help you a huge amount.

[Ocky]

yer i agree with scott on this one im affraid, u guys do seem ungreatful and i have hurd band memebers runnin their mouths bout bands, abnd as for phil at bar oz there was no fucking need what so ever, so what ppl were cheerin on marly,ppl wanted to give him a good send off,if u expect the ppl who were there supportin u to come see u again, youve done a fine job of making sure they dont, im defently not going out of my way to see you again, not after the way u were to the crowed on thursday.its not on,theres no need to be the way u are, seriously pull your heads out,coz your fanbase is slipping very quicky

[nabz]

Fair play. Finally someone saying something constructively and without ranting random bullshit.
at least everyone knows what the score is now.

[phil hills]

as for bar oz..im generally sorry..didnt mean to offend..it was mearly jokes!..and the whole storming off thing..had work at 8 the next morning and have been feeling shit for quite a while

as for bad mouthing..i have been acused many times..and i must say..i dont have a problem with anyone or their music..we are all doing what we love to do and we cant let anyone stop that!

as far as equipment goes..im very greatful for the shareing..and have never changed anyones settings..and when the time comes i shall return the favor

this all needs to stop..people need to stop acting like kids and grow up!..i for one have to!!!..lets stop all this crap and have a good old time...this isnt a rivalry..its a communty..we are all a group of mates!!...

basicly..this is all done over the web..when we are alltogether its all good fun..so lets just keep it that way..wot do you say??

oh and..i thank jamie for the megabowl gigs..they were back to the old skool for us..as for alex..thanx..even though u most probably hate me..cuz u always seem to ignore me!


phil!

p.s...coming onstage early...thats me being eager*spelling*..thats my bad!!..lol..oh and the jamming..sorry for that too..that was just nerves..cuz i was bored!!..megabowl isnt that exciting when your waiting

[Graeme]

i'm gonna give my replies in a-b-c points, in relation to Scotts initial points.

a) i must disagree that we don't say thanks and are not appriciative. I can't remember not saying thanks for the gig's you've got us (3 of them, Kings Tavern, Megabowl, Colorz). I was grateful for everyone and said so, maybe not on the day of the gig, but deffinatly at the time of organisation. Phil not saying thanks for using the Bass Amp... i don't think he stuck around long enough to sneeze let alone speak. So i appolosise for this.

b) Soundchecks take a while for a larger band borrowing equiptment, the sounds need to be set upfor us. My guitar runs thru effects procesor and a large amp that needs to be set up because it's not normally being used by the bands soundchecking before us. If we're doing something that you don't like, mention it to us then. Don't hold it in and get wound up, just ask man.

c) I've never said anything behind your backs that i haven't said openly. I do admit, and have said this to Jamie, that i do not like your style of music, it's not what i choose to listen to. I don't believe i've said anything personally about other bands. Yes, in the past i have been pissed off at Simon and more recently you (because of "the Graeme Rawson" thing.) but anything i've said and felt have been nothing more than annoiance towards someone at a given time. Am i not aloud to be annoyed with someone and need to vent it out? But i don't have any real feelings of dislike towards anyone, so they're not serious enough to be worthy of telling the world. I've never badmouthed sullivan, i like their music and i like them. If you've heard me say i think they're stuck in a rut and should be doing better and going further, that isn't badmouthing, thats my belief. I really believe those guys can make something of that band, and i wish that they could push it far as possible. I can't speak for the other guys, but i know Jack likes you all.

d) i don't like this!! i dunno when he did it, cos i saw him do it once and didn't know what to make of it. I wasn't aware that phil swore lots. You have a right to be pissed off about that. I hate it when Slipknot call their fans muthafuckers... all i can say is i hope phil appoligises, cos i ain't taking the blame on the band for this one!

e) It's really wound me up. And i'm sorry if anything i've said has been taken as being seriously big-headed, i know i've said really arrogant things, but trust me i was just joking around. Me and Jack have been laughing off comments like that for years... and it's got picked up on.

f) cos we don't just gig together, we hang out at the same places, see each other weekly. I dunno, maybe we just relax some more or whatever. You've played with us 5-6 times or soemthing like that... maybe you've just picked up on annoiances. Or maybe you get annoyed because it's us, and if was people you didn't know, it wouldn't bother you so much. You say we can't relax when were at a gig with you. I dunno... maybe, just maybe, thats cos i get the piss ripped outta me for no reason if i ever say anything to you guys, you don't like it when i try and talk music, you don't like it when i try and see how things are going. Thats why i can't relax around you guys.

i don't think i have ever said anything like "My band is better than yours" cos it's something i don't believe and i can't see why you got the idea i think that.... Yes, i prefure the music 100ways play, i like it, whats the point of playing it if i didn't. But i accept the fact that both you guys are better at talking to the crowd. Sullivan are an increadable tight act, and Mass Hysteria are getting pretty damn close to that too. There is a fine line between arrogance and self-belief, without which there is no point. That line is different for all of us, and you think we crossed it, i don't. I don't belive we're all superior, but i do believe we have stong music that could push us further than Reading and we intent to achieve as much as this band can. Have we ever said you can't do the same? Cos if we have, that would be when you can start saying that we think we're superior.

[Graeme]

just as an Admin point:

i don't want this thread flying off topic. So if you don't understand, or don't really have a valid constructive point to make, don't post. I want no "What the fucks?", so sorry if i delete your carefully prepared and thought out replys.

[ScottMH]

I can apprechiate all of that and thanks for the reply. It's just these things have indeed been going on far too long, backstabbing badmouthing and stuff. I just wanted to say it and get it out in the open and hope other people will do the same from now on.

Things are building up, and graeme thanks for the point by point, I don't dislike either of you I think everyone can get pissed off and misunderstand each other.

So there you go, any other comments from people are welcome, but well things have got out of hand in many ways. It should change, there's enough problems as it is!

The only reason I posted was I was annoyed by the end of phils post. But I thought it stupid to reply with something I didn't mean and just say what I thought so it was critical but helpful at the same time without resroting to namecalling. I just feel that maybe you portray yourself differently then you intend, mainly referring to accidentaly being arrogant. Can sound to real and that caused problems cause yes we didn't ask you but as band dislike. And I did aplogise for the joke, yes it was meant as a wind up at the time but well you've proved to me by replying as such that you are a bigger person then that and I take it back. Just a bit of fun gone a little wrong when people were in a bad mood. And really Clark had piss all to do with it!

But as I said I do wish you good luck, I just wanted to point these things out as some of them gig wise can be changed a little to run more smoothly. Glad we sorted it out, just needed to get it off my chest to be honest. I feel everyone keeps their real feelings pent up and it's not good. Peace

[hannah]

well id just like to start by congratulating everyone on being so mature about this and for no one locking this thread, well done. so yeah...

i wasnt at the colorz gig but i can appreciate what people say about the megabowl gig. this may not have been intentional but you did seem to be quite stuck up. air do's, graeme came and spoke to me, and i did talk to jack but phil, and im sorry if it seems like im picking on you, just seemed like you were unhappy and ended up just being rude. fair enough if it was nerves before you performed but i tried to talk after, to congratulate you guys and i found you rude.
id also like to say that the last post on the mean thread (which i think was mean but understand you guys were drunk) was uncalled for. it was really nasty to reopen the thread just to bitch about clark.

i think ive said enough on the matter

[Graeme]

yeah... i actually feel alot better now i've had the chance to get it all out. Time for a fresh handshake and a clean slate.

A point i failed to make in my first essay is that i think this all happened because we gigged too much together. We're getting our demo re-made and we're gonna do a fresh send-out and promo drive. And i'm sure you guys are gonna do the same with your new demo on it's way soon. This is not to say never again, just that we'll be on better terms if we didn't gig with you as much.

Alltho good fun (and thats our (100ways) mistake, we saw it as fun gigs rather than a serious gig), it's got to the point when the fans demanded joint gigs. Stacy once said to me, when we were talking about one of you guys playing a KT gig and the other not playing, "oh, i'm not sure if it's worth going if only one of them are playing". (Disclaimer: this is not a slur on stacy, merely an example to a point.) Thats kinda when i lost faith in the joint gigs.

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Reply to hannah:

i would have deleted that post phil made if i had seen it quickly enough. Phil was just retaliating, believing it was Clark who started the "Mean Thread". We know it wasn't, but phil didn't. I'm sorry about the Megabowl gig, that was as we were having a bad time of it as a band (and it's only just recovering itself), we were all on stage wondering how long Marly was gonna stick around. Also that i know i don't like to speak to much straight after a set, i must asure you that this has nothing to do with snobby feelings towards our fans, it is a simple matter that i've been singing hard as i can for the past 30 mins, and i just want to shut my mouth for a bit. High Energy gigs are hard work, and i normally stumble around for about 5-10 mins afterwards completely not with it. I after the King Tavern gig i looked at someone i know really well ( i won't say who, they'll be insulted) and it took me a while to recall their name!

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Faye... sorry i deleted you post, it was pretty much exactly what i asked people not to post in my admin point. And i will stick to my word.

[nabz]

Fair play...
I think phil hit the nail on the head when he said that its because you guys have been gigging together for along time and when this happens you begin to pick up on things... the little things that bother you turn into huge things... and its a common thing; deftones vs muderdolls, metallica v system of a down. it happens.

and you guys are right, this is a community, and a big group of friends. if anything, u guys should be sticking by each other 100%. and backin each other. dont forget one major point; where u came from, and who u r. as u guys (and i talk to mass hysteria and 100ways) go on to make a big name for yourself, and a big fan base, it all comes down to the simple fact that in the early days you both helped each other out in order to get where youre going

fair play to graeme for making a stand on the 'arrogance' comments. it take balls to call someone that, but it takes even more so to reply in such a mannor to which you can hold your hands up and say 'the mans got a point'... there is a very very very fine line between self belief and arrogance, and i suppose its all down to how you know the individual.

ive known graeme through all of his bands, and he's always been laid back and humble about it all. but now with 100ways its different. maybe he feels this band has the potential to go ahead and make something? if thats true, then he has every right to have a mass amount of self belief/borderline arrogance. obviously, he might cross it, but thats where friends, u guys, the community, should keep him/them on their feet. thats what friends are for.

anyway ive said enough.

i hope u guys can get it all sorted, have a firm handshake and start giggin again... and maybe soon together again.

nabz - afflicted

[Alexjsteer]

You fucking wankers! your all so gay! I'm kidding, i'm kidding!

But seriously........

A) We are not compeating, Mass Hysteria (metal) Sullivan (punk pop) 100 Ways (Alternative) So there is no way we can be compeating, there is no competition, Sullivan are the best punk pop band out of all of us, but then again We are the worst metal band! See what i mean

B) Marly is sexy!

C) G is right there is a fine line between arrogance and self belief! Sometime i think that you should just be careful about the way you word things tho!

D) Phil was fine one day, the next day he wouldnt even give Lee and I the time of day! I thought him swearing at the crowd was SOOOO out of order, considering i walked around the entire venue, saying "100 ways are on in a moment, get down the front!" I know how horrible it is playing to an empty crowd! And like Ocky said we just wanted to give Marly a good send off, we may never seem him on stage again?

E) I dont feel Sullivan are stuck in a rut! I feel we are just coming into our own, gaining a small fan base, everyone seems to have fun when we play, i think we can go all the way! But then i think we could all go all the way!

I will be at your heat of the botb's (aslong as i am not visting Sally!) and i was vote for you boys out of loyalty!

[Graeme]

All your points have been noted, totaled up and filed away for future reference. I'm glad it's all out in the open and we can get back to a clean slate.

My thanks to Nabz, this guy has been around, supported and helped my music nearly as long as my guitar has.

[Guesty]

I again congratulate 100ways on their reply to this thread, it was mature and direct. You would expect alot of hate from other bands/fans but this seemed to be non aparent (spelling). Well Done!

On the note of the swearing at the crowd, at some gigs you expect it and some you wouldn't dream of hearing it. I, myself am a big metal/NuMetal fan, but also listen to Punk/Ska as a form of relaxsation. Iv been to around about 70-80 gigs in my time, not including Download and Reading festivals.. so god knows how many bands iv seen. And throughout my gigging career iv seen bands that will swear as if it was acceptable and the crowd love it and will get into it, (Slipknot & Chimaira). But then again i remember when a support band swore at a Bad Religion (Punk) gig, and they were soon booed of stage cause it was not needed at this gig.

My point is, that if you are going to swear (don't just do it for the hell of it) maybe include it in the song to emphasise a lyric or a stage in the song.. it gives a big boost to the song if it is used correctly.. Dont just shout it out randomly ...

bla bla bla.. F UCK... bla bla bla. F UCK U ALL!

That kinda thing will just loose your followers and fans! I mean iv never seen 100ways (yet) but from what iv heard u play ur hearts out, maybe not the best band in your category but atleast u give it your best, which is all that your true fans could ask!

In closing, just work on your manners (sometimes you can forget your manners without you even meaning to be rude) and just give it all you got, but most importantly respect others around you and the bands. Not everyone will like swearing, some people may just not hear it cause their used to hearing it 24/7. Just respect their views and use it when appropriate.

Thanks

[phil hills]

i think tonite..a big old hand shake is in order..in pavs maybe??..and we mark this as a new beginning..for us bands..and 100ways..it sucks to see things like this..and i am generally sorry for everything iv done to annoy

and alex..im sorry..i have no problem with you..or lee..infact..i love lee he's great!!..and haydn...

so lets just push all this aside..and lets tell reading to stand aside..cuz sullivan 100ways and mass to the hysteria are hear!!..to take your teeth!!

u aint got no teeth!!..ahaha!!

[Ocky]

hey this is good,finaly all the tension between the bands can be lifted, its good that scott saisd what he said, and i think ppl should give him props for it, at least this hasnt turnt nasty, its good to see that things are getting sorted out like adults for a change,letys hope this helps sort everything out, peace